your only leave then lever is to defund obama care. that would shut down the government which you have stated publicly you don't think is a good idea. what do you really have left here, senator? >> well, i don't think shutting down the government is a good idea. but i do think that we were elected, conservatives were elected to try to stop this overreach, this government takeover of healthcare. it's not going to be good for the american public. i think insurance premium also rise. i think the people they want to help, precisely the working class and the poor who don't have insurance. i think still won't have insurance. and they can have a penalty. so what i would say is people want us to stand up and fight. i'm willing to stand up and fight. we should use the leverage of controlling 1/3 of the government. we don't control all of the government. but republicans control the house of representatives. they should stand up, use that power to, at the very least, make this lawless bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the american pub